It was terrific to have the opportunity to interview Jason Dawson, a multi-sport athlete, public speaker, and budding business development executive in northern New Jersey.

Jason Dawson photo Our conversation lasted well over an hour, and could’ve lasted 3 or 4 days if we had provisions.

I was especially intrigued by Jason’s search for authenticity in himself and in his relationships, and also how meditation has affected his life.

An edited, 19 minute audio stream of our conversation is below. There are a few aspects of the sound recording and edit that aren’t as polished as I’d like them to be, but in the words of the artist Salvador Dali, “Have no fear of perfection – you’ll never reach it.”

On authenticity

Get rid of this identity you think you have to live up to, because it’s actually hindering you



On digging-down and identifying what is and isn’t true, Jason began constantly asking himself: “Is this really what I want or believe? Really?”

Doing this “forces you to be honest with yourself.”

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Jason defending for Susquehanna University

Over time, like training a muscle, Jason has become conditioned so his first reaction is usually an authentic one, so he’s becoming less varnished and more truthful every day.

“I actually say what I really feel, instead of over-hyping something, because then it just becomes fake.”

Jason shared the example of saying “I like that” when it’s true and accurate, instead of “That’s great, I love it!”

Just like “awesome,” “amazing,” and a billion* other superlatives, the power and meaning of these words and phrases can become diluted.

* Ha! Did you catch that? The Oxford Dictionary, says there are less than 250,000 total words in the English language, yet I just pumped it up by writing “billion”

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Jason practicing Muay Thai, known as “The Art of Eight Limbs”


Interestingly, the authenticity Jason works to bring out in himself is also mirrored in others – they often react by letting down their guard and being more authentic themselves.

Who you are changes consistently because you’re always developing and evolving

The result is conversations and relationships much more grounded in truth, instead of falseness.

A lot of conflict comes when your conscious mind and unconscious mind aren’t on the same page.

We are afraid to let go of the conscious mind and just do and just be. I’ve had to learn to trust my unconscious mind, which can be scary for some people. When you’re trusting your unconscious mind (you’re relying on) a natural reflex … You’re not really thinking, you’re just doing.

Hearing Jason’s testimony has convinced me to try meditation for a full 21 days. Here’s a quick “Meditation 101” from The Mayo Clinic (who knew there was an entire clinic devoted to mayonnaise ?).

I’m going to either try his suggestion of Glenn Harrold, or one called Headspace, which I started (and liked) but stopped after a few online sessions because I didn’t make myself make time for it.

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Thank you Jason!